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Sgt (Gast)
03/11/2008 8:56pm (UTC)[quote]
Hi all
Just picked up a large 21eme button from E-bay, found in Russia from 1812. The button has a loop back rather than the pyramid style you normally get as standard. I have seen the Imperial Guard buttons like this (i have one) but never the Infantry regiments. Can anyone shed any light on this. I was always led to believe that all the buttons were Pyramid backed, Interesting.
James
Lemauditanglais
(44 posts so far)
03/13/2008 9:55pm (UTC)[quote]
Does it have made in china stamped on the back ?
I am curious how the pyramid backed ones were made, was it a pyramid and then drilled out two ways, or was it molded that way.
Were the buttons a single mold or ?
No doubt Keith has a 99 page manual on the fabrication of such items in all their delicate glory.
Christopher
sgt (Gast)
03/16/2008 8:37pm (UTC)[quote]
If it was made in China then i am interested in 1000 more for the Regimental stock.
I don't know how they were made every button i have is totally different. The style of the numbers vary from 21 to 2I (ROMAN NUMERALS)
Some look like they were cast in 2 pieces and some of them look like they were 1 piece with holes drilled in later, but think of the labour would it not be easier to just have a loop if that were the case.
James
Andy
(14 posts so far)
06/03/2008 4:45pm (UTC)[quote]
Hi James,
The usual fabrication is the birdcage back, but some of the buttons I have from Spain/Lithuania have single loops. I suppose that it's the usual'never say never'when it comes to 'standard' patterns.
Andrew
sgt (Gast)
06/03/2008 5:21pm (UTC)[quote]
Hi Andy
I took them to the meeting on sunday and everybody who looked at them couldn't believe the diferences. It just goes to show all these Re-enactors who tell you 'thats wrong this is wrong' talk utter pants.
Granted, i do think we must follow certain patterns of uniformity and items that have been made in the past have been quite a terrible standard, but who's to say it isn't right. I have worked in the hat trade and when the pressure is on to get orders out many corners were cut.
James



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1790 Regiment Guyenne at Lyon
1792: Journal militaire:1st battalion arrived Besancon
1793 Landau, siege until 28th December.
1794 At Nice, General Kellerman formed a Polish battalion with men found in the 21eme demi-brigade, 9 companies of 3 officers and 70 men.
1796 Evening, Massena's division (21e) along left bank of the Ellero, from Mondovi to the Tanaro.
1798 Into garrison at Amiens, 2nd battalion at Nantes (formed March 1797), 3rd at Dunkirk
1799 Magnano, towards Brescia.
1800 Pas de Suse, and town of Suse.
1801 Battalion expeditionnaire formed on the Ile de Re, with 140 of the 21eme, 106 56th Line, 59 5th Light, 58 Colonial depot Ile de re, 28 legion Loire, 119 cannoniers 5th Foot artillery, on the frigate l'Africaine.
1803 Bruges Camp/Ostend, 3/4 battalions Flessigne until July 1804.
1804 3rd and 4th battalions to Cologne.
1805 Crossed the Danube at Pressberg, one battalion at Bruick, other in villages of Regelbrun, Arbestal, Collesbrunn, Willfersnauer, and Schadendorf, until 5th January 1806.
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1811 Stade
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